More Ballots Discovered In Florida Without Medical Marijuana Amendment

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Florida is a very grimy place when it comes to politics. It was on full display back in 2000, when George W. Bush and Al Gore were disputing the results there during the election. Florida is a swing state, and has been for awhile, so dirty politics is common there. The dirty politics has carried over to the fight to legalize medical marijuana in Florida. Opponents spreading reefer madness is not uncommon in Florida the last two election cycles, but something even fishier is going on in Broward County.

Two voters got their ballots in the mail, only to discover that Florida’s 2016 medical marijuana initiative was not on the ballot. That led to a lawsuit being filed by NORML. A judge just yesterday stated that she would rule quickly on the matter, but that overall she was satisfied with the steps taken by election officials. But, shortly after those statements were published by mainstream media, two more ballots turned up without the initiative on them. Per the Miami Herald:

Hours after a Broward judge said she was ready to rule quickly on a case about ballots missing the medical marijuana amendment, a new wrinkle appeared Tuesday evening: Two more voters found Amendment 2 missing on their ballots.

NORML of Florida, a group that supports reforming marijuana laws, filed a new emergency motion Tuesday night asking the court to hold a rehearing in its lawsuit against Broward Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes.

The voters “are victims of the respondent’s failure to carry out her constitutional duties and face the prospect of being deprived of the right to vote on matters of great public concern,” attorney Russell Cormican wrote in a new motion.

I have read all types of excuses for the debacle. The one that seems to be getting the most coverage is that humidity caused the ballots to not print…Admittedly, I’m not a humidity expert, but that doesn’t seem to make any sense at all. Another excuse offered up by election officials is that the ballots missing Amendment 2 were test ballots that weren’t supposed to go out. Whatever the reason is, the reaction so far from Florida election officials and the judge presiding over the issue has been ‘ho hum’ at best.

They act like because ballots are being replaced, there’s nothing to worry about and no need to investigate further. However, that’s not good enough. Requiring voters to take it upon themselves to report missing information from ballots in order to cast their vote for Amendment 2 is a huge undue burden on the voter, and clearly deprives voters from exercising their right to vote.

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  1. Acidsex says

    I don’t see how this can be possible since Democrats keep telling us vote fraud doesn’t occur. Oh wait. It only occurs when it goes against their party but if it disenfranchises conservatives then it doesn’t occur at all.

    1. saynotohypocrisy says

      If anyone has any evidence of fraud against conservatives, or anything that disenfranchises conservatives, that’s what we need to hear about, not unsubstantiated claims that weaken our democracy.
      Hopefully this was an oversight in Florida, and not something deliberate.

  2. myconaut says

    This is election fraud, which the Republicans do all the time — note that Republicans control both chambers of the Florida legislature and the governor’s mansion, not voter fraud, which is extremely rare. It is Republican officials in Florida who are responsible for printing ballots, and this happened on their watch.

    1. Acidsex says

      Bullshit. Its being done in a heavily democrat area in Florida (Broward and Dade). Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t this Debbie Wasserman-Schultz area as well? She still is against any form of legalization.

      But its funny that it was reported that Hillary had met with Brenda Snipes and apparently there are photographs. That is a BIG NO NO!

      Make no mistake, this is simply a way for the Democrats to stuff the ballots because they will be sending out an additional 173K ballots in an area that leans more heavily towards Democrat candidates. Amendment 2 being left off the ballot was just a simple way to maintain plausible deniability of what they are trying to really do.

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/26/are-there-signs-of-a-voter-fraud-scheme-in-broward-county-florida-a-handful-of-mistakes-and-173000-solutions/

      http://drrichswier.com/2016/08/05/florida-voter-rolls-at-risk-broward-county-supervisor-of-elections-put-on-notice/

      http://www.browardbeat.com/challenger-charges-broward-election-boss-brenda-snipes-ethically-challenged/

      1. myconaut says

        GOP voter suppression. So common. They are so desperate that they do their utmost to disenfranchise minorities and democrats. This is just one of the more egregious examples.

        https://thinkprogress.org/indiana-registration-raid-51a6a7a83f37#.uzm5cmn89

        If their ideas were worth anything at all, maybe they’d try winning elections on their ideas, rather than through manipulation and intimidation.

        1. Acidsex says

          So requiring people to produce an identification to prove who they are so they can use their constitutional right to vote is really considered suppression? If anything it is election rigging suppression. But let’s be real honest here. If the tables were flipped and the voters that Democrats supposedly care about where voting for the opposite party, you can bet your bottom dollar they would be calling for identification before voting.

  3. saynotohypocrisy says

    I support voter ID laws IF the government helps citizens who need help to get the necessary documents. If the goal is to make sure that everyone who is eligible can vote, and no one can cheat, that’s what the government would do. Otherwise it’s an obvious voter suppression tactic to eliminate poor, marginalized citizens who are more likely to vote Dem than Repub.

  4. Acidsex says

    I am pretty sure New York provides free identifications. And I am not surprised that not every state requires some form of identification for every day use. It doesn’t have to be a drivers license but just a state issued identification card. Last I saw, the cost of such ID was less than $10.

  5. saynotohypocrisy says

    You need to prove your citizenship to get approved voter ID. When documents are lost, some people are going to need help to get proof of their citizenship. Does the government have a responsibility to help them get that proof or not?
    There should be no charge for a government ID that is needed to vote, not one penny. It’s a form of poll tax, which is banned by a 1960’s era amendment to the constitution.

  6. Acidsex says

    Again, there are a ton of things that require proof of identification that require people to produce documents. Getting a job, applying for loans, getting a drivers license, applying for government aid, and even applying for a tax refund. Why is it voting is the only area where Democrats think we should just take people’s word that they are who they say they are? We can argue that preventing them to vote without proof of identification disenfranchises them as a citizen but if they are not legally eligible to vote (non-citizen, convicted felon, etc…) and they do vote, they in turn disenfranchise those who are legally eligible to vote.

    Look, our government gives out a bunch of entitlements like EBT, healthcare, welfare, HUD, Obamaphones, refugee resettlement, etc…I seriously doubt adding the additional cost of government funded identifications could add much more costs. Especially if it ensures only those eligible can vote and restore integrity to our electoral process.

    Until that actually occurs, we will face this every single election cycle where one side will claim the other is rigging the system.

  7. saynotohypocrisy says

    “I seriously doubt adding the additional cost of government funded identifications could add much more costs.”

    So we’re in agreement that the government should not charge for government issued ID to enable someone to vote?
    But what if a citizen needs help to prove their citizenship (birth certificate lost, etc). Does the government have a responsibility to help them so that they don’t lose their right to vote?

  8. Acidsex says

    Why should it be the government’s aka the taxpayers financial responsibility to pay for citizens to procure the documents needed to prove identification? Getting a copy of your birth certificate is relatively cheap and I don’t believe it costs anything to get a copy of your social security card. But when you stop and consider the amount of money and resources our government spends on resettling refugees, that is what should upset you more than anything. The government will go to great lengths to assist refugees and illegal immigrants but when it comes to their own citizens, this administration has shown it could give a fuck all.

  9. saynotohypocrisy says

    ‘Why should it be the government’s aka the taxpayers financial responsibility to pay for citizens to procure the documents needed to prove identification?’

    I’m not going to convince you, but to me making sure that every one who is eligible to vote can vote is just as important as making sure no one cheats.

    As far as refugees go, a lot of refugees are coming from Central America and the Middle East. Wouldn’t you know it, two places where American imperialism has had devastating consequences. Sounds like karma to me. If you don’t want them as refugees, then support their home countries, because we owe the common people of Central America and the Middle East.
    And get ready for climate change refugees too. We owe them too, whether climate change deniers give a fuck about them or not.

  10. Acidsex says

    We owe them? Are you serious? Well I will tell you what. You take in some refugees to your own and allow them to sleep in your house, eat your food, and spend your money first. Lead by example. It is that exact liberal mindset that is destroying this country. You want prisons but not in your backyard. You want the latest and greatest technology but don’t dare put that manufacturing plant in your community. You want more affordable and cleaner energy but you want it from someplace else so your community is not damaged. You want to be compassionate to illegals and refugees as long as you can force someone else or the rich to pay for them.

  11. saynotohypocrisy says

    Of course I’m serious. The US people are responsible for the consequences of our government’s evil imperialist policies. For example, no one made us overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 (though the Brits were sure pushing us). We did it because we felt like doing it. How would you feel if some foreign country was able to overthrew our government and keep their stooge in power for 25 years like we did with the Shah?

    As for the rest of your post, NIMBYism (not in my backyard) is a very widespread phenomenom, I don’t know that it afflicts libs more than cons. The only reason upstate rural counties want prisons, for example, is because they’re so desperate for the jobs, not because they are being community minded. There’s an outbreak of NIMBY in my very conservative rural county at the moment as people try to keep chicken farms out of the county.

  12. Acidsex says

    If you feel so compassionate towards them, move there and help them in their own country.

    As far as overthrowing governments, one needs to look no further than the current administration and the current Democratic candidate as the prime example why this is never a good idea. Before you go there, I say the same thing about every previous president who has participated in the same actions.

    Which is why this country needs Trump. Trump will not be bought by those in the military industrial complex so they will not have any leverage to force him to wage wars. Don’t think Hillary isn’t already leveraged to wage war against Russia? Hell, Sidney Blumenthal was able to leverage her to overthrow the government in Libya and is heavily leveraged and bought by the Saudis to disrupt Syria.

    But sorry, as far as the NIMBY when it comes to illegals and refugees, forgive my non-compassion for people that could potentially include terrorists. It is not our responsibility to take in people from other countries that do not have their documentation (if they ever had it to begin with) or that are so poorly educated that the only thing they will accomplish in the USA is being a total dependent and drain on society and the economy.

    You get to decide what your money supports, you don’t get to decide for me or others.

    Again, if you are so compassionate, fill your house with illegals and refugees and be the example you think we should all be.

  13. saynotohypocrisy says

    So you agree with me that we shouldn’t be overthrowing governments. But do we have any moral responsi8bility for what we did in the past? Or do we get to just shrug and move on. After the CIA led overthrow of the government in Guatemala in 1954, death squads ruled the country. 30 years later we provided indispensable support to the death squads in El Salvador.

  14. saynotohypocrisy says

    I assume you know how our war on selected drugs has destroyed legitimate government and economies and empowered drug gangs in Mexico and Central America? So now we’re inundated with refugees from the region. Shouldn’t we be dealing with illegal drugs, not just weed, in a way that doesn’t empower illegal gangs and create refugees? The gangs are a threat to our national security, the refugees are a humanitarian catastrophe, and neither Trump nor Clinton has a clue on the subject.

  15. saynotohypocrisy says

    I don’t want to take large numbers of refugees into this country, I want us to help them resettle or find refuge in countries closer to their home country

  16. saynotohypocrisy says

    ‘You get to decide what your money supports, you don’t get to decide for me or others.’
    Boy, that sure wasn’t how it worked during the Cold War and Vietnam War when liberals had to pay taxes to support policies they despised as much as what you despise today.

  17. saynotohypocrisy says

    I’m not so sure the Repubs were responsible for printing the ballots, that might be done at the county level.
    I see the Repubs engaging in obvious voter suppression tactics including abusive ID requirement laws, but that’s sort of a separate issue from outright election fraud, the kind of thing the unregistered sex offender insists is commonplace among Dems, without providing a shred of evidence.

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